Closing the ‘Collapse Gap’: the USSR was better prepared for peak oil than the US

Published on 4 Dec 2006 by Energy Bulletin.
Archived on 4 Dec 2006.
by Dmitry Orlovv

Robert Steele posted this to his [Open Source Inteligence] site where he wrote:

2006-12-05 Scary Comparisons of Soviet and US Collapses

The 29-page slide with briefing notes at the link dated today, is quite sensible and quite scary. It is sufficiently credible to have earned a complete reprinting in the [Energy Bulletin].

In our view, we have two years to make a public intelligence case for electing a transpartisan team able to address the ten threats, twelve policies, and eight challengers in a responsible manner. If we fail to do so, we anticipate severe destruction in major urban areas, and a balkanization of rural areas. St.

What this suggests to me is that talking about the environment requires us to also talk about ALL of the “other environments” that create the context(s) and the points of view that not so subtly shape, determine and limit what we can “see” if we “only” talk about the environment as if it is some sort of stand alone concern.

For example, if we want to keep sequestered carbon sequestered, are we prepared to change how we produce what we eat, how we heat and cool our living spaces, and how we move about?

Are you?

-- JockGill

Mark McCaffrey Says:

Those long Russian winters and a couple world wars would give the Soviets a leg up on energy collapse.

As for the question posted: are you ready. Some of us have been ready (or not) for many moons. I know some hippies on the Rio Grande River in New Mexico who have been waiting for the collapse since the 60s. And in the late 80s, the Permaculture movement predicted the end was near. But there’s still oil (if we’re willing to drill in Antarctica and the Arctic, which seems inevitable, and many gigatons of coal. What I’m curious about is the clash between those who want to radially reduce our carbon footprint and those who will drill and mine all that buried solar energy as if there’s no tomorrow. At some point it could get ugly as the “save the Earthers” confront the “Growth is Good” crowd.

vm Says:

is it possible that global warming will become a kind of measure of integrity for people and corporations? one whose immediacy and scientific directness will allow a more direct perception of intent? will inventiveness allow necessary options for transition technologies?
will the free market competition allow enough space and resources for these to emerge? to me it seems a lot depends on how people perceive themselves and the power in their personal domain. i suppose in theory this is the idea that people create the demand. the question then might be - will people get the information they need to redefine their demand. and in general there is a question about the extent and process of moving towards living as responsible and loving beings. something for which there is also information to be sought, sifted through, and bought into….

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JockGill Says:

Does this have to be a mutually exclussive proposition? I believe the switch to a green and renewable energy economy will be a great opportunity for both growth and health. Why not?

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JockGill Says:

VM, you raise an excellent point: the need to be able to access reliable information required to make an informed decisions. Clearly the consolidation of media ownership has reduced this information flow as a consequence of the profit motive. It is hard to create a good medium for advertising from the incumbents if your are writing critically of the status quo. Biting the hand that feeds you, so to speak.

You might be interested in the movement to create Open Source Intelligence. A place to start looking is [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_David_Steele]

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